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angeles and los angeles -- you would set up in los angeles and san francisco .- bir there might be a storm. there might be some malicious attack. that does not something i sense that engineers losing a lot of sleep over. there are not very good targets from a cybersecurity standpoint. they are highly secure. the equipment is very expensive. i talked to people and visited these places and saw the higher up the food chain i got, the less concerned they were about talking about them. the less concerned they were about the physical security. the greater concern was ignorance. if we do not know about these buildings and what goes on inside of them what the issues are facing those operators, the greater the threat is. the internet would be legislated in a way that is not the best thing for the healthy functioning of the network to be protected. >> you named your book "tubes." where does that name come from? >> the famous, and 2006 -- quote unstrung 2006. -- comes from 2006. this was the height of ignorance on washington's part. this is an example of the senate had responsible for legislating the
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